Diane doesnt believe Rebecca is her daughter, rather a media puppet ran by Rule. A. I dont recall telling her to get an apartment. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. The bio family should have been given the same opportunity to see the kids and demonstrate their ability to be the guardians. Diane, of her own admission, had plenty of affairs while she worked at the Post Office. I always welcome new information, evidence and opinions if they have a strong base and are not mean spirited, but I dont get the relevance of this comment to the case itself. I have watched her parole hearing. she flat out says, they are saying Duran Duran made her shoot her kids!..Im like HUHOkay now this is my favorite groupstill is at 44yrs old.I had to investigate this. How.. they attacked him. It is said that they didnt go to Steve because he wasnt a fit father or well equipped to take care of children who had gone through such a traumatic experience. Accused of her side of the story what the state says how would it be possible for her to do what they presumed. Danny said several times that a bad man shot them and it was written in the nurses notes, but never that his mother shot him. Doesnt change the fact that it was still a conflict of interest. The trouble reportedly took place a day earlier when Sean Preston allegedly was behind a locked bedroom door and Jamie broke down the door to get in and then "violently shook" the child, The. In reply to Nick. Leslie Van Houten is an example of a woman who probably will never see the light of day because of her high profile status. Evidence from a ballistics expert. Her case was too public and they are afraid of public backlash. Even Ann Rule in her book, keeps mentioning that they only had a few months to get Christie to talk, otherwise they could not keep her away from her mother any longer. The detectives took Diane to the crime scene and were able to retrieve shell cases on the ground where the incident happened. It is documented in the blog where I give the source In the 1996 Federal Petition, you can find the Anatomy of Brainwashing that can answer any question on this subject. The fact that the children were in no way protected by Child Protection Services is undeniable. According to various sources, Steve chose to separate from his wife after discovering that Stephen Daniel, their third child, was the product of her wife's relationship with a colleague. And the state refusing to turn them over to the defense? It seems that a lot of what was written down never came up during testimony and some nurses even strayed from the original content. In 1991, David Brewer, a juror who deliberated Dianes fate in her 1984 trial, came forward to say he and another juror had decided to acquit Downs by the close of the States presentation. I watched and worried through her escapeto find her childrens real attackerthat bushy haired stranger . I am glad that some articles remain. Hed left his first wife to co-habitate with (and later marry) Charlene. Two of the kids survived the shooting with life altering injuries, and one of the children died. I agree on many points with your comment. Hysteria. Makes no difference to me. Removing the children from her and presiding over her criminal trial? By the way, this not a Diane Downs is innocent blog. It is a lets examine the facts of the case with hindsight and try to explain some of the inconsistencies and the role of the media and crime writers. And lets wonder why the US think that letting people die in prison is the answer when most civilized countries have reached other conclusions. (that one is more of a question). The tragedy that hit the Downs' kids changed their whole life. Anyway, it takes a good scrubbing with soap and water to get rid of gun powder residues and doing so with only one arm would be quite difficult. The bitches own daughter identified Downs as the shooter. This coercion came to Dianes attention in January 1989 (Appendix 39). Page 41 of case history. Fred Hugi looks nothing like Jim Jagger. Not that it matters, your opinion is about the case and not subject to geography. The crucial point is that she is so void of emotion. If the grandparents and uncle had visitation rights, they could have respected some rules as far as not discussing the case, but imagine if she had told them that she did not remember? In fact, watching that was the first time I heard her voice and saw her presence, it was a year or so later that old interviews showed up on YouTube. I will take a screen shot of the sketch. Except for Paul Cortez. Within a few weeks, a judge had placed the surviving kids, Christie and Danny, in protective custody. Just state that at the beginning of the blog. Years later, Christie was heard saying by classmates that she did not know who shot her. 3. Besides, none of those diagnoses are illegal. Mind you, it is before the trial. I went on ebay and ordered multiple stuff from the 80s, news footage, just to hear what she sounded like, because of all the talk in the book about her demeanor. And after Diane left Arizona she didnt call Knick to inquire about his love, but rather about when he would repay the $500 (Appendix 81, pages 1479-1480). The court can just do an APR, Assignment of Parental Rights. She told ABC, The impact of Diane Downs being my mom has altered the course of my life so many times. Just my opinion. I am glad you read it anyway and I appreciate your comment. If a person were innocent of the crime they were convicted of this puts them in a no-win situation. This is especially if it comes with a history of erratic behavior following the use of these substances. This blogger believes in the presumption of innocence and in the possibility of redemption. The board said that her mental or emotional disorder makes her a danger to society. And she clearly remembered the April 1983, rape that Mr. Downs would later refer to as love making. And these men in black perceived this as an act of war, and proceeded to go after them with every legal or illegal means at their disposal. Melvin Belli How things could have been different. Mother of Diane Downs Asks Oregon Governor to Review Case and this is your 2nd quote which contradicts the first one .. Lets not forget that she was presumed to have fired a gun 6 times at close range within the confines of a small car. She may be highly vulnerable to losing control of her emotions in emotionally charged situations, creating faulty judgment and ineffective and inappropriate behavior. You said yourself that the title was revealing. Her mom is still alive and would love to have contact but respect that they wont. Why? But the guy who said to several people that he was the shooter happens to resemble the sketch they came up with at the time for a reason. It did not matter that they had no evidence; they did not like her attitude and she was going to pay for it: opinion, not fact You are telling me to take my smugness elsewhere because it is tiresome. Diane had met all the requirements to be paroled. After a failed marriage that got her a divorce from Steve Downs, she wanted to be with her lover. Her lover and former husband testified against her but it did not represent evidence but character assassination. On May 30, 1983, the McKenzie-Willamette Hospital Chaplain told Dianes father to hire an attorney because the State was going to take his grandchildren away. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. In this article, we can clearly see that Becky struggled and tried to justify her woes (maybe rightly so) by blaming it on her DNA. Danny has kept a low profile, and not much about his life like family, marriage, and children are in public. Parker Schnabel's net worth in 2023: Is he the richest on Gold Rush? John Kitzhaber, Governor of Oregon Not our place to decide. The most frequent remarks I hear about the case when confronted by the state misconduct and the lack of evidence are gut feelings I dont buy it Shes guilty She did it I know she did it Her story makes no sense Shes evil Shes crazy. It had to be her.. By the time the incident had happened, it seems as if the two had parted ways . But Diane couldnt do that. The Pros and Cons of Getting Sole Legal Custody - Verywell Family The following article hopes to help you make more suitable choices and get more useful information They lied about the ballistics. These women did not show emotions and did not fold when asked to. You do not have to agree with my general opinion outside of the facts of the case, but I would appreciate some comments on what matters; how this case was handled at trial and during the investigation. She was fighting back and they did not like it. It was one of the most disturbing stories I've watched. This is to avoid the conflict of interest that we read about above. Mr. Children imitate their parents every move. She found out who her biological mother was when she was 11 years old, ABC reported. Go to the hate groups for that. I would love to hear your answers to them. For all you readers of this blogger, I lived through the Diane Downs case. Mr. Wow. Your prayers were answered. Diane ran away from her husband many times between 1976 and 1977, but with nowhere to go except her parents house, she would come back. Which is itself a redundant practise: the blogger repeatedly states that Downs should be released. The scene described in Small Sacrifices with little Christie hooked up to a machine and her pulse accelerates because she is terrified ofher mother is doubtful and subject to interpretation. I mean if a guy admits to killing children over and over, shouldnt we pay attention to that? http://sputniknews.com/us/20150620/1023613662.html#ixzz3djEXlSAC // The Prison State of America Dec 28, 2014 Chris Hedges, http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/the_prison_state_of_america_20141228 This blogger thinks that if you had bothered reading the blogs that you just mentioned, you would know that I do not call anyone innocent. It was a fairly new science at the time so thats all it took to find him not guilty. GSR can easily fall off just by brushing your hand against a surface. She learnedat a young age to keep her emotions in check and to always present a strong and brave front. McPherron: And you had no contact with her . I think she was the only one there that night with her children. Everywhere, EXCEPT the door through which Diane reported to police, the male stranger had passed. Page 37 of Case History. I find it interesting for you to observe this because it should be more scientific and empirical today than it was in the 80s, but is it really? I personally disagree with that practice but it is common. She signed an affidavit to that effect and wanted the jury informed of it but it was never done. The man you have listed as Fred Hugi is actually Dianes attorney Jim Jagger. Common sense will tell this Court, when Diane accidently slammed her mangled arm into the steering wheel of Detective Tracys car, it was ANYTHING but a laughing matter. They believed the testimony of her former boyfriends who were far from stellar individuals. But if the blogger is arguing that the blog is balanced and objective, thats patently untrue. Unfortunately, Danny Downs was permanently paralyzed from the waist down because of a bullet injury in his back. Blood spatter is not an exact science, and is interpreted differently by experts. They made her out to be a monster, but in Beckys case, it becomes redeemable. According to Detective Welch, Steve Downs followed Diane to Oregon, they fought and Steves rage took the last step on the path hed been treading for a long time. I personally disagree with that practice but it is common. It was such a high profile case and she was found guilty by the media and the court so people are afraid to touch this one. What about the terror of being interrogated by strangers and separated from her family? Nobody ignored Dianes demeanor. Diane Downs' ex husband, Steve Downs, lost a lot in May 1983 when his ex wife shot their three children, following their divorce in 1980. Cheryl was shot twice in the back and one of the bullets ended up on the floorboard. But to convince this young and vulnerable girl to turn on her mother, they needed to isolate her from her family and work relentlessly on her confession.. I know several foster parents and social workers. Shes guilty. It could be argued that he developed a relationship with the children and genuinely wanted them to join his family. During closing arguments, Fred Hugi said that the murder weapon used by Diane was a Ruger, and the state had the model number and the bill of sale. Inflammatory and speculative They would have welcomed them with open arms. All the years in prison probably made her way more disturbed than she ever was. On the single count of murder, the jurors needed a unanimous decision. When she resisted, he shot her kids and struggled with her. That is the way she was brought up,especially at the demand of her rigid but verydedicated father. She should of been sentenced to death. But I am more than willing to review any new info. Brewer stood ready to testify in June 1991, that it was because of Prosecutor Hugis lie that he changed his mind to convict and that he alone was responsible for silencing the dissenting votes of two other jurors (Appendix 97). We, who watched her parole hearing a few years ago prayed HARD that she wouldnt be set free, know she is guilty. The hell with doubts, ballistics and pesky details about the shooting, we cannot disagree becausethere is hunting and fishing to do and friendships to uphold. Here are the pros and cons of sole legal custody. There were days she was unhappy to see the staff and her family because she was very ill. That poor girl had a lot of bad moments where she would cry constantly or trigger the machines and to have defined this single incident as one of terror instead of excitement over seeing her mom was biased and self-serving. Id like to challenge some of the bloggers claims. The jury verdict was guilty on all counts, but there was a mixture of votes. Once again, Diane said a lot of things. It was writtenrepeatedly in the daily notes that the children were happy to see their mom and asked for her. She could have stayed on the side of the road. Crime is entertainment and big money so this case will continue to be on the forefront and the same assumptions will be repeated over and over again. Thanks again. Or can have an accomplice. I do not post rude comments. I think that the time she has served and her good behavior made her eligible for parole. So until today, people still don't know much about him, and his whereabouts remain a mystery. In her book, Ann Rule made sure to mention that running water was heard by a dispatcher when Diane was at the hospital; insinuating that she was washing her hands and getting rid of evidence. In 1999, a Board Certified Psychiatrist practicing in Oakland, California wrote a letter to the parole board on behalf of Diane Downs to explain how things had changed since 1984 when she was diagnosed with a severe personality disorder. He did not consider her a risk factor at all and believed she would do well if released into society, because she had no prior history of violence and never had a problem with violence or bad behavior while incarcerated. After completing his education and their short-lived high school romance, Steve Downs would move on to join the navy. Wow does he ever look different than how they portrayed him in the TV movie. The judge instructed them to continue on to force a verdict. And her mental health should definitely have been a factor to release her with follow up care. Im from Australia and have recollections of this case. The best policy for Diane Downs would have been to remain silent, but she fought back and smiled at the wrong time and according to them, enjoyed the attention. Page 26 of Case History. The former Dallas Cowboys cheerleader sparked a romantic relationship with Howey and shortly after her career took off with a little help from the Something Borrowed actor's father, who was an. After six weeks in Oregon where the children were happily spending time with their grandparents while Diane worked her postal route, the incident happened on a dark road that led to Diane being accused of murder and attempted murder. The lack of balance and objectivity. She always seems to have not a very close contact with reality. Is it too late to respond to this? Gregory Foote who had denied access to the children by all blood relatives and given their care over to the State, was promoted from juvenile to senior judge to preside over the trial of Diane Downs.. DA Pat Horton declared early in the game to the local paper that the search for the bearded stranger was not very high on their priority list.. What man has ever publicly revered a former secret mistress? Dianes brother, James, sat in court one day andnoticed Foote looking at Hugi before ruling on an objection. But my beef is with the interference by the media, TV shows and Ann Rule. Modernism mixed with Medieval state of mind. (This is why Foote was assigned the case. You mention that her attorney should have raised objections. Glamour reported that Danny was paralyzed from the chest down as a result of the shooting and Cheryl suffered a major stroke as a result of the attack that left her with a lifelong speech impediment. My brother was a first-generation immigrant who died in police custody Why would anyone think Christie could remember the night of the shooting anyway?? If not, why not? Hello. I was shocked any asked why she thought that. A demonstration in court strongly suggested that the shooter had to be left-handed to have been able to shoot in the car at the right angle. I would like to raise the numerous issues with this blog. Plus according to an expert at trial, her testimony did not match the blood spatter analysis in the car. Messed. Much worse. Farrah had trouble with the law because of a passionate love affair with a movie director. Its a dangerous proposition when a lack of due process becomes acceptable because they know she is guilty. Steve Downs was the husband of the infamous child killer, Diane Downs. Needless to say, you seem to have a problem with the American justice systemnot each individual case. ?.the fact you are ignoring something SO OBVIOUS is a red flag. I am all for reviewing facts and getting a decision overturned in cases of corrupt decisions, and many people are on your side and find these cases totally worth their time. It is not clear whether he still resides in Arizona, where he started his relationship with Diane those many years ago. You read a few comments. Yes, Christie said she did not know who did it. You are wondering about the question why didn't steve downs get custody but currently there is no answer, so let kienthuctudonghoa.com summarize and list the top articles with the question. Many individuals associated with the the child welfare system, for one reason or another, choose to adopt children. So I did not post your comment about his answer to your inquiry. I wish she could get a new look. Unfortunately, he hasn't been as outspoken as people expected, considering the gruesome details of the crime committed by her ex-wife. Fred Hugi is a man of the highest integrity and I hope that Dianes surviving two children finally found the love and stability they had been denied by their natural mother. Of course I saw movie first, then read the bookI wanted more, sadly early Internet days, there wasnt much out there, as far as info or video, picturesnothing really. So, why didn't Steve Downs get custody? Libby, I quoted what Diane said. So, were there any other attempted carjackings in the area that night? How one of them lied on the stand about ballistics? She is currently in prison, serving her life sentence for the murder of one of her kids and attempted murder for the other two. why didn't steve downs get custody. While that makes her technically eligible for parole at some point (in her case 2009) it does not actually mean she has an end date or a release date. The definition of deviant sociopath does not even exist in the DSM-HI, which is the official psychiatric diagnostic manual. She also told media she became pregnant without Steve's "permission." 4 Steve has never spoken publicly about his ex-wife, Diane Credit: AP Where is Steve now? They were in foster care for two years before the prosecutor adopted them. A test for the presence of gunshot residue conducted on Dianes hands the night of the shooting, returned a negative result (Appendix 23). The flesh and muscle had been cored three days earlier, but the steel plate and bone graft could not be effected for two weeks (a precaution against infection). She is still in prison. I have nothing to gain and I am not making up songs and dances about a unicorn. It is also very is to clean. As it was getting dark and the young ones fell asleep in the car, their mother decided to head home. As soon as Diane was found guilty, Hugi demanded that Diane be evaluated by a psychiatrist before sentencing so they could declare her a dangerous offender and give her a stiffer sentence. There were good reasons to look at this mother, but the detective admitted on the stand that they stopped looking at anyone else after two weeks and the stranger on the road became a joke. Despite all these misgivings, they chose to stay strong in the marriage and had their first child, Christie Ann, in 1974. Ann Rule promotes her books as true crime stories so to this day, viewers believe that the book and the movie titled Small Sacrificesdocument the true story of the Diane Downs case; in fact, it is a mix bag of truth, falsehoods, interpretation and plain fiction. It is called a conflict of interest. Shes where she belongs. Completely unethical, and not in the best interest of those children. What got her convicted was two things the towel and Christie. Contemporary family finding principles argue that a child is best nurtured by parents, then immediate family members, extended family members, spiritual family (Godparents), close friends, etc. I agree that the verdict may have been very different. If the police department had done their job properly, I would not have written this blog, no matter the outcome. She was more interested in the affection of men, which on that fateful day in 1983 gave her an idea. I stuck to what came out at trial and not the fantasy factory coming from the state, the media and Rule. A long long time ago. That single fact collaborated by a witness, convicts her for me. There is also a recording where she says that she had no idea who shot them. The parole board in Oregon was asking to provide reasonable cause to show she was not a danger to society and it had to be supported by a psychiatrists report or a Wardens letter and Downs provided both. The harm done to families by unscrupulous district attorneys who bully children into falsely testifying against their parents has been recorded in a documentary called Witch Hunt by Sean Penn about Kern County (CA) District Attorney Ed Jagels. Her 7 yr old daughter was already dead, her other 2 children were in critical condition. As far as her innocence goes and the possibility of being paroled if she admitted her crime, Diane strongly maintains her innocence. The Diane Downs' Case Was no Small Sacrifice On May 19, 1983, Elizabeth Diane Downs and her three small children were shot on a country road near Springfield, Oregon. It turned out to be a mistake because he was married to a County Circuit Court Judge who would become a colleague of Foote and he had no intention of defending Diane vigorously. And if you claim your innocence, it obviously creates a vicious circle of not showing contrition. Their life without parole sentences are a dime a dozen and so randomly used that it beats any notion of justice for all. Steve Bannon released from custody pending trial on contempt of So either way, it would not be so far fetched that someone said he was the shooter.A little investigation would not hurt. Nobody had any reason for a conspiracy of this magnitude over a literal nobody. He has also once again decided to defy . They never tried to reunite them with family. I agree in both cases they were high profile cases. Everyone in the world can believe something. Are her parents still living (I know they were a few years ago)? Forensics or lack thereof and blood splatter? Their haste to go to trial created this mess and lingering doubts. Maybe because of her notoriety and the victims were children. Q. She said She did it. Up. According to the State, ballistics evidence proved that Diane Downs was guilty. None of this is EVIDENCE of anything in regard to the murder trial, and not once did I read that it was. Only the people who present ongoing threats to the safety of the public in general are the ones this sentence is reserved for. Would you seriously be confident enough to present your findings you mention in your article to Diane Downs children? Washing soda is your best bet: It includes, among its ingredients, the exceedingly corrosive carbolic acid. In addition, the children were suffering life-changing physical and mental trauma, which would take years to heal. Therefore, it is hard knowing where he is right now, considering his low profile of keeping away from the spotlight. Someone can have an evil vibe and not be guilty of a crime. A very reasonable request that was rejected. They had their second child, Cheryl Lynn, in 1976, followed by Stephen Danial, born in 1979. As a suggestion, I would love to see a like or dislike button for each comment. From what Ive read, she gets a parole hearing every decade and the next time in 2030 she will be 75. Dianes injury had to be quite painful and shewas in shockwhile driving to the hospital and accompanying the detectives to the crime scene. This blog is riddled with inconsistencies, suppositions and a lack of the most basic referencing (e.g. It always feels like punishment at all costs. The whole family were co-conspirators and involved in the crime? It did not matter that they had no evidence; they did not like her attitude and she was going to pay for it. Are you looking for more information about Ryan Eggold? A conviction founded on lies is no conviction at all. Page 50 of Case History. Where are Steve Downs children now? . No way. To this day, there is not enough evidence to prove her guilt or innocence. Do you REALLY believe she expected them to live especially since she drove at less than 10 mph. And thats fair enough. Her three small children, Christie, 8; Cheryl, 7; and Danny, 3 . Likewise, Charlene had no intention of letting Knick divorce her (Appendix 81, page 1518, line 15). The previous video you sent me shows a Jagger pretty animated and involved in the defense of his client. I go through every new finding and I point out what was done at trial that did not respect due process. I am not sure of the exact timing of Dianes accusations but the Downs family did not only include the grandparents and they were never considered even before this nonsense. Steve was among the few individuals who saw Elizabeth Diane as a beautiful young lady rather than an outsider. There are some stories that stick with you for a long time. A new trial would be out of the question, so to me, parole would be the solution. 1. In high school, she met handsome Steven Downs who saw her for the great beauty she had become. Even prosecutor Fred Hugi was seen walking the grounds to try to find the weapon. In a fairly good knot which would have taken time to do one handed and teeth. Her ex-husband has been of great interest, considering his absence from the media despite the case getting significant attention. If I feel that due process was violated, I will go there anyway. This is Budhu's story, as told to Kelly Burch . But you dont mention that she again has changed her story. How asinine. After Diane was convicted, the two living children were adopted by the prosecutor in the case and his wife, and it was Christie who ultimately pointed to her mother being responsible for the shooting. Christie's first child is a boy. Criminalist James Pex was pretty clear about this. The authorities wanted to see them mourn and fall apart.
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why didn't steve downs get custody