How often is the minimum guaranteed hours exceeded in a given month? Oh wait. The significant wage difference may be in anticipation of the economic recovery process ahead. Merge the Starbucks model into an airline. Sure, theres the free market, but this also seems borderline exploitative. Even with the limited details we know, its clear Breeze will be different than other airlines, from its approach to hiring flight attendants, to its cost structure, to its fleet. And even if you talked endlessly to that reassuring gray-haired physician in the lead-up to your surgery, you know, the guy or gal who wrote the textbook on your ailment and who appears a shoe-in to be the next chairman of the school of medicine at the cutting-edge research institution where you've opted to get the very best care (you deserve it! While we do try to list all the best miles and points deals, the site does not include all card companies or credit card offers available in the marketplace. Glad I was just in time to work and fly through the good times and happily retired now. Let's ask Don Burr how his cult airline worked out? New. Yes, they are using and abusing us. Every job would hire people at less than half pay and call them interns if they could get away with it. 3.Enough may feel that this is just fine for 1-2 years. I applied for a ticket/ramp/gate/baggage handler position and got the job. You have successfully joined our subscriber list. Nice, new and nonstop. of Labor requires that to classify a worker as an intern, the intern has to be the primary beneficiary of the position, not the company. Either talk about what JBs starting rates were when they launched or write this article in 5 years and Ill think differently. Very clever. They are not hired to be sex symbols and keep men sexually entertained through out the flight; therefore, I could care less how old you are as long as you can save my life in the event of an emergency. 5) I will meet many travelers and may be able to network my way into other opportunities when I graduate. Thats exactly what I got from reading the article.. Hello Travis and thank you for the advice. No guests. Bottom line: Supply and Demand principles are at play. Someone has the verb and the noun meanings of intern confused. I was one of them 20 years ago but was not treated close to as bad as this sounds. Good luck with that. We live in a free market economy. Don't forget that for a person to be a doctor capable for surgery they need to have completed medical school, but for someone to be a flight attendant they only need a GED. Anyone have any info on what flying for Breeze Airways is like? Makes sense, and given right now there is a surplus of supply of pilots in the market they are able to lower wages to increase profits and thus be more likely to succeed. Rude, Fat-Fugly, Nasty, Filthy, Unfit. @RobertB unless Breeze starts showing a pattern of denying jobs to older, experienced flight attendants who want to do the work and following Breeze's presumably legal employment practices, there is no discrimination. I think they are going to offer a lot of things people actually might want to pay for, deliver them speedily and in a high quality way, and make it attractive to buy multiple products. They pack you in like lemmings in the dorms and during spring break we slept 12 to a hotel room. your username . Do they add up for you? I would have jumped at this deal in college. Not sure if labor pool for whom the model fits is really large enough to support high turnover baked into the model or can support scale to provide regular flight frequency but we'll see. To that end, it's not that much different than regular college life (many students work part time), but you won't burden yourself with huge college debt because those kids won't have to worry about tuition and housing. Time away from home and on duty? This is Slave wages but should we be surprised this is coming from the same CEO that says Masks are for Morons so all the hard working front line workers that have lost their lives that were wearing masks trying to save folks lives.His mouth has spoken and I have listened on how I will spend my airline travel dollars and it wont be on Breeze. . The Breeze pilots, once hired, will see the Neeleman is begging for a pilot union to quickly form on his new airline, whether he knows it or not. Not if you wanted good work done. Before we get into the details of Breezes pilot pay, and compare it to pay at other airlines, note that: First year Breeze pilots will make $36,300. Yes, they are using and abusing us. Also even the numbers you quote put them right in line (if not slightly above) the regional peers like SkyWest. So Breeze might get a few "interns" but the vast majority of people wanting the job want to stay there their whole working lives. Given the circumstances, the airline carrier will be in dire need of profits to recoup its initial investments. Be honest. Great idea. Started by JetBlue founder David Neeleman, Breeze Airways' inaugural flight from Tampa, Florida, to Charleston . Expect PGD, IAG, SFB, ORH, RFD, PIT and to change seasonally. What Are Redeye Flights? You can also reach us at (800) 573-1848. This would be less cringey if there would be incentives for the flight attendants to move into positions such as pilots or air traffic control. You have 7 days to get yourself there, find a place, sign a lease, move in, get airport badges and be ready to fly on day 8.). Those rates and minimums will almost certainly guarantee an ALPA swooping-in to negotiate better terms for their members. Nah man, cars suck. Pilots are guaranteed pay of $75 per month. Feel sorry for the FAs but this guy could be either a genius or just throwing at the wall to see what sticks. Were going to work hard to make sure this doesnt get off the ground, says Sara Nelson, president of the Association of Flight Attendants-CWA. Grumpy old man can be Ebenezer Scrooge. Whats my take? This says to me that the quality of pilot they will be recruiting will be far from the best and hence, an airline to swerve. Whatta country! It gets so tiresome. the percentage of revenues it gets to keep, but because Spirit makes so little revenue on their high-cost investments they don't add up to much. You get paid to sign up more people to pay union dues. What do you make of Breezes approach to hiring? Spirit passengers, not so much. (the "free" school and housing comes out of their pay just as much as if they got full pay, and paid for the school/housing themselves). The wont to have pilots on there books, but wont have at the beginnig a lot of flightsSo from a business point it makes sence to have more pilots who only fligh 55h instead of having less pilots with 75h. 2. In youth I worked fast food full-time for many years. I'm glad to see you're excited to join the industry. And, it's not clear if they get health insurance as part-time employees. Technology is greatuntil something goes wrong. @samuel. Years ago right out of college I worked as a contractor on-site at one of the biggest technology companies in the world. Our point-to-point network means no connections for an easier, quicker and nicer journey. Would you like to buy a filet mignon sandwich that we can hand deliver to you in your seat? Just add all these fun little add-ons where you can just click yes, yes, yes. And we can just keep dinging the credit card.. As a former 40 year flight attendant, I can assure you if there is an emergency on board, you will be in much better off and in much more capable hands with a 25-40 year flight attendant than a 20 year old airhead! Past Flight Receipts. Does Breeze offer enough pay to pilots? . The Dept. This might work in the short-term, but the moment that demand recovers, the airline is going to have to significantly increase pay, or it will risk having pilots leave in droves. so yes their work force has negotiated rates based on the companies success. I suppose you're also going to apply the company town line to the internships that MIcrosoft, Google, and many other corporations have going for aspiring developers. The *interns* that get suckered into this are clearly being taken advantage of and exploited. Of course this wont last as the market rebounds, but the die will have been cast for what they think of their employees. Impressive to see how discussion of new airline business immediately decedents into anti-religious bigotry. An airline that keeps harassing me with upsell offers on my purchase? I know that Breeze is hiring for captain right seat flying, aka the pilot has captain qualifications, but will be flying as first officers until there is enough flying for them to be moved to the left seat. You and a friend use your travel pass and visit a city. I'm willing to bet that they will start service to Tampa. Neeleman is begging for a pilot union to quickly form on his new airline, whether he knows it or not. Neeleman has a track record of success in the industry, so Im curious to see how this venture works out. Our normal business hours are Monday-Friday 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. (Pacific Time). Could happen. Starting up a new airline in a global pandemic is certainly difficult. Breeze Airways is finally making its debut on May 27 just in time for Memorial Day weekend and the start of what will likely be a busy summer season. 8 hours reserve gets 4 hours of pay $38 per hour. Sounds pretty abysmal. I'm not sure anything this post really supports the hypothesis that they're underpaid. Great article !!! Because it is an opportunity to teach them the skills to land a career or job that they would not have otherwise had a chance for. *The whole "Home Monthly" is based on operational needs and must be scheduled 3 weeks prior. Aviation professionals pay has changed dramatically, starting in the late 80s. Need to use the Robinhood model where PAX fly free or get paid to fly, in exchange for all of their data / information which can be sold for revenue generation. Breeze Airways is ready to take flight. @Wendy B Gates - Breeze didn't specifically tell me I'm too old, they said I was overqualified. save. Im glad to see youre excited to join the industry. The company hopes to take flight just over two years later, with service launching later this year. 2) housing: I am curious what housing? JetBlue is the only other major US airline to fly Embraer 190/195s, proposed pilot pay is the free market at work, Introduction: Four Times Across The Atlantic. Also, let's be honest: COVID is a new reality for pilots. Close. Heres SkyWests Embraer 170 pilot pay scale (this is a significantly smaller plane): Again, the catch with regional airlines is that pilots typically work here for a few years before applying for a job with one of the major airlines. If the labor model is as stupid and exploitative as you seem to believe it is, it will fail. An airline, perfect for SLC. To work part-time only, with no benefits, as an "intern". may be it is totally moronic. I will be marching tomorrow on May Day for an egalitarian communist revolution with hundreds of myvworking class comrades in Brooklyn. For example, I recently wrote about how Breeze is only hiring flight attendants if they enroll full time in college, and live in company housing. If Breeze employees get stock (I'm no insider but assume they will), and Breeze succeeds, they stand to make up later in capital gains potentially much more than they forego today in ordinary income. It can be very exciting and rewarding, but. For a college student, this beats the shit out of working at the mall. I know these FA's will not be scheduled for overnight trips. On the small regional hops, inexperience is almost the default. After the carrier recently announced the hourly pay offered to pilots, however, the aforementioned description may not be satisfactory. There's a good chance that well-spoken, polished, and slightly tired surgeon you call "doctor", who has "MD" on their snappy-looking business card, and who so patiently listens to all of your ailments and deep thoughts about dizziness and tinnitus is a resident physician, AKA an intern. If not the comparison is poor. Is there a penalty for leaving early? Maybe housing benefit becomes a retention factor, but beyond that the high turnover seems like it would risk leveling out the reduced labor costs. First year SkyWest pilots make more than Breeze pilots. Maybe it really is a part-time gig and would be a good fit for a great many people. There are young people for whom a collegial work environment and highly social university-style housing would be quite appealing while they build skills. But after all these furloughed guys get hired, who then? I wish more airlines provided housing options. Both the developers and the company very much like this arrangement. My regional airline was a casualty of covid and Breeze seems like a great fit for someone like myself. Disappointed but not surprised. This combination of low salary and high demands cannot be good for retention. I already feel bad for the disadvantaged kids that will end up getting wrangled into this to help pay for a couple semesters of college. 1) Why not schedule surgery with a "doctor as an intern.?". Or the app crashing? Salary to both of these groups of people is somewhat incidental. The end result will be lesser pilots and more accidents in the future. As youd expect, existing flight attendant unions will no doubt be targeting Breeze: The largest U.S. flight attendants union says it looks like an attempt to abuse federal work-study subsidies to hold down labor costs. Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim. It may be time to consider this for FAs too. Vote. Reactions: Karee. This hasnt been without controversy, though. Young people / College students have an ability to enjoy activities that are very cheap / free. I suspect the *average* monthly paid hours across the whole year will be a lot higher. I think the best way for this airline to implement their business model is to pay for its pilots training from 0 hrs to 1500 hrs and then these pilots can work for them at their pay scale that will make more sense. There isn't enough information to know whether this is a good deal or a bad deal for the "part timers" potentially taking this work. but if your salary stays low, you cannot build a family. The founder of the airline is David Neeleman, the same guy behind JetBlue. Lots of opinion injected here but believe me they do not have a shortage of applications. Sounds ripe for an age discrimination lawsuit at some point too. And which also clearly states that there will be no contract renewal. Please use the form below to submit updates and corrections to the airline information found on this site. Launching an airline carrier during a pandemic when aviation losses are in the billions, seems to be a tricky business proposition. Customer service: Generally speaking, younger hires are friendlier and perkier. CORRECTION for the above; should be as follows: - like airlines based in countries that still allow for hiring and firing based on age., Apologies for the error! The most qualified and competent FA candidates will not be happy with a job that is not only poorly paid, but offers next-to-zero chances of becoming a career with that employer, while being viewed negatively by the career employers in the field. more like the lived way of another religious group who is willing to do ANYTHING to keep control in place, . You and your self-interested cronies don't get to decide what type of jobs people choose to take. Partying and hanging out with friends is what college students are supposed to be doing. This business model shows that there is still tremendous opportunity to drive down wring out costs in flying. Please view our advertising policy page for additional details about our partners. "fun little add-ons" er surely time-consuming adverts interrupting one's day asking one to pay for something high quality airlines provide as part of their price. I think at a pay rate of $1,200 a month, most of their flight attendants will come from A Handmaids Tale! Alaska Airlines Business Card Review: 70K Miles & Lufthansas Boeing 787 Business Class: Exactly As Expected. Yeah.let us be honest.A 25 year veteran flight attendant is not someone most of us want on a flight. Overall, it sounds like he spent his time in Brazil calculating every aspect of his U.S. comeback. Who here wants to entrust their lives to "fresh" ill-paid FAs? This company is bad for the US economy and society. I'm nearing ATP mins as a CFI and it looks interesting. So, before any taxes at all, they would be looking at $20-30/hr. I'm sorry, a career flight attendant is absurd. The comments in here are so disheartening. Outside of banner ads published through the Boarding Area network, this compensation does not impact how and where products appear on this site. I do not believe for a minute service will be worse than economy on AA or UA. My regional airline was a casualty of covid and Breeze seems like a great fit for someone like myself. Unfortunately flying is something easy to be passionate about, and the industry takes advantage. Idea sounds interesting but that pay scale and hiring model is trash. Many may not have developed interactional skills with customers (passengers) and feel this job can help teach them that skill. The article also fails to factor in per diem amounts and the tax advantage that goes with that. document.getElementById( "ak_js" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); My neighbor is in this program. What we have here is an attempt to hornswoggle naive, inexperienced workers by adding a meaningless term to an employment contract. And its our fault. Or at least it is very close. Pilots are only guaranteed pay for 55 hours per month of flying (this is really the worst part, since pilots at most airlines are guaranteed 75+ hours per month), Here is JetBlue Airways pilot pay scale for the same airplane. In the end I wish people would stop looking at every opportunity through their own eyes and realize that not every job has to be a union job or a job with all the perks of a career. Of course we know what Nelson is really up: unions cant stand having to compete and this model could threaten her power and the power of her union. Maybe there are ancillary benefits/travel privileges' that are enormously valuable to some people. So, that will be difficult. What they do at launch and what they do 2 years later can be entirely different. The $1200 a month is not really a salary, but rather a stipend for a college-like experience while interning as FA part time. And was told that 90% would be "turns", out and back same day - no layovers. As a pilot with one of the aforementioned regionals, this is an ongoing conversation. All that said, I'm currently COO for a NON-union airline, and we will make sure we pay our pilots (and all employees) fairly with work conditions and benefits that will never have them needing a union to ask for more. Good luck, Febreeze! Find Salaries Clear All The industry does need an overall. They paid $3.50 an hour. Breeze Airways will initially fly Embraer 190s, but eventually plans to operate a fleet consisting exclusively of Airbus A220s. Advertiser Disclosure: Some links to credit cards and other products on this website will earn an affiliate commission. Breeze's minimum qualifications The basic requirements to become a Breeze pilot come down to flight hours. The airline is hiring both pilots and flight attendants, given that its close to launching operations. Alaska Airlines Business Card Review: 70K Miles & Lufthansas Boeing 787 Business Class: Exactly As Expected. They know how lousy the job market is right now, and Im sure they have a very good idea of what the numbers are going to look like, not only now, but in the coming months and years when it comes to out-of-work pilots. I don't think any new business venture in a competitive feel can be termed "exploitative." Airline startup Breeze Airways is set to offer Pilots uncompetitive pay in comparison to the rest of the airline industry. These days she brings home a little bit more than that: she earned it. Not exclusively, but the idea of a University education is as much participating in a community of students as it is sitting in classrooms. Nice. less than daily to leisure/small markets. The race to the bottom continues. My only other option right now is to start all over at another regional where the pay, seniority, and quality of life will be much lower. This is cynical exploitation at its worst and I hope that the public recognises this and vote with their feet. The estimated total pay for a Flight Attendant at Breeze Airways is $4,639 per month. Someone has the verb and the noun meanings of intern confused. But.can't raise interest. Editorial Disclosure: The editorial content on this page is not provided by any entity mentioned herein. Sounds very ME3. As an MD and introducing herself to patients as "Doctor", her salary started at about $30,000. I suppose they could be selling the dream of having high seniority at the airline as it grows, with hope of better pay in the future, but. report. It's extremely spot on that the second comment on this article was written by a guy whose photo is a selfie in his car while wearing sunglasses. In other words, the airline is trying to exclude anyone who has a family, a college degree, or is looking to build a career. Same pattern emerges for Captains as well. I am quite happy Doctor Kendor didn't get too comfortable in some cushy union-enabled physical therapy gig offering an artificial pay scale and relentlessly reinforcing an artificial sense of self-importance. Finally, an "internship" employment model has limited potential for growth. The comments about this airline attracting the bottom of the barrel are unfair considering the circumstances. It's silly to ape outrage when we don't know a lot of the details of the actual work and schedule. Breeze Airways is a new airline that's expected to launch in the US in early 2021. Nevertheless, Breeze Airways is still on track to launch in the US in the first quarter of 2021. What follows then is a vast amount of turnover which, in itself, compromises safety. may be it is totally moronic. Should be a wage and hour attorney's dream; they'll be subject to every state's wage/hour laws wherever they fly and be subject to both private lawsuits as well as administrative cases from the wage/hour agency in those respective states. Why are we encouraging a race to the bottom? Its schedule, price, loyalty program. I dwelled on my sad fate at length. Claim your Free Employer Profile Website: www.flybreeze.com Headquarters: Cottonwood Heights, UT Size: 501 to 1000 Employees Founded: 2018 Type: Company - Private 28 years represented by ALPA, walked the picket line 29 days in 1985 and was ready to do it again several times during my career to entice management to come to the negotiating table with a better contract for pilots. Thread starter aisleguy; Start date Mar 22, 2022; A. aisleguy Well-Known Member. D. Delta Echo Well-Known Member. Most helpful comments ( as chosen by the OMAAT community ). Not Verified | Breeze is an interesting new airline with pros and cons. Given that long haul truckers can make that and more, with additional signing bonuses, you must really love to fly and be desperate. And its an immediate tip-of-the-hat to what their culture will be based onmoney is king, you dont matter. Breeze Airways insights Based on 31 survey responses Areas for improvement Fair pay for job Support from manager Overall satisfaction Bad leadership Customer Service Representative (Former Employee) - Salt Lake City, UT - February 13, 2023 Breeze has potential as a start-up. Please view our advertising policy page for additional details about our partners. This is how young doctors learn their craft in America and all over the world. Pre-Order now!Pre-Order Inflight A359FJ0623 1:200 Fiji Airways Airbus A350-941Highly detailed diecast pre-finished collector model airplane. This is a disappointment in many ways. Pilots from Compass and Expressjet will flock to Breeze to maintain currency. Chances if you have surgery, you already have. They are offering an employment model that will appeal to some people and no other airline can/will match it so the cost differences should be sustainable. Of Course, Oops: Jetstars Embarrassing Bali Flight Blunder. Or to put it another way, by year six, First Officers at Breeze Airways end up making almost half as much as JetBlue Co-Pilots. The LDS coming from the Beehive State have, at the end of the day, always thought of its team members really as worker bees. Hey. I have worked with underpaid and undermotivated staff, and it s not pretty: for the staff, the management, the investors and the customers.
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